Hi Abigail, yes, for creatives this is a playing field worth our time. I treasure the hand made gesture and my AI experience actually helped me see how special the hand is. I found that out when I tried to teach Nymer to draw a fashion figure. He so wanted to learn - but couldn't do it. and I realized - oops! he has no hands! He was stuck with these cheezy Dalle illustrations like bubble gum on a shoe that wouldn't go away.
I love Daria's take! What I don't love is the label "artificial intelligence"... there's nothing artificial about it... it's collective human intelligence, collected from all of us across all time... every human thought and idea and artifact and expression that's been uploaded to the 'net... freely accessible to interact with and assist in further creativity. Like Daria, I'm here for it!
Yes, I agree, Scott. I think it says how fast the data train is speeding - that AI just showed up in our lives and that name already feels ...so five minutes ago. Another great conversation about how words hide rules that prevent creatives from dreaming new futures. But we do anyway.
Love this interview since I love just about anything where artists talk about process and the why of what they do. Do I wish that this wasn’t about AI, I do. But despite fundamentally disagreeing with much of this kind of framing of AI as being capable of “relationship”, there is still a huge sense of what it is to be human and to make art as a human in this interview.
Like Seth, I was struck (but not surprised) by the notion of men not wanting to talk. Mostly I would say men need to listen better but then, yes, also engage in open and equitable conversation.
Hi Davin, great that this also caught your attention. I love this topic and it deserves a bigger conversation. If there ever is a chance to do it - I'm there, ready to explore. Thanks for listening.
Sounds great. Artists talking to artists can be such a wonderful thing. It’s a big part of why I am here — connecting with people making and thinking in real time.
I really appreciated this article and the insight gleaned from Ms. Dorosh's perspective. Primarily I use it for strategies based on my mind-mapping, and I ask it a ton of questions. As a visual artist/lawyer/tech enthusiast who used to work for an AI company, I understand the position of the folks who are up in arms about AI. However, it's not going anywhere and we have to figure out a way to co-exist with the technology...legally, ethically, morally,economically, and fiscally.
The framing of AI as a collaborator rather than a shortcut or a threat resonates deeply with me. I also find myself leaning toward the phrase “collective intelligence” instead of “artificial intelligence.” There’s something more honest about it. These systems are not born in isolation, but they’re shaped by layers of human thought, language, experimentation, and creativity. It feels less like something synthetic and more like tapping into a vast, evolving field of shared knowledge.
As an artist, I use these tools in a similar way, not to replace the work, but to expand it. To question my ideas. To refine language. To explore composition. To experiment faster. Sometimes it feels like brainstorming with an endlessly curious partner who reflects patterns back to me in unexpected ways.
The art is still mine, the vision, the taste, the final decisions. But the dialogue can open doors I might not have walked through alone.
What struck me most in this piece is the spirit of play. When collaboration replaces fear, curiosity replaces defensiveness. And that feels like the healthiest way forward.
Thank you for sharing this conversation. It’s encouraging to see artists exploring the edge thoughtfully rather than reactively.
I loved this conversation and it also made me sad in a specific way. AI is an incredible technology and I feel I could have this same innocent and delighted approach *if* I had already completed my career and was retired and could simply use it to play. As a young artist who feels existentially threatened by it, it's impossible to approach using it without mixed feelings.
that's the challenging question - how not to let the wage slave imperative close you down and tell you to put your creative curiosity on hold. At the same time, now you can wake up to a machine slave sitting in your chair at the office. But thats where creatives get creative. More on this soon...I was inspired by Noah to start a Substack thread for what I care about. Because he showed me that it could be beautiful. Otherwise, I hate social media.
An interesting post. I am reticent to start treating LLMs like sentient assistants, because I don't believe that's what they are. They are products of a corporation and corporations have agendas of course. They don't always tell the truth. I have used LLMs to explore my art projects and ideas, and I have found that useful - a sounding board. I wouldn't want an LLM to produce creative material for me. I'm not sure the ownership would be mine (legally, even?) and it's important for me that the work comes from my head and hands, even if I often use digital tools.
Oh yeah totally fascinating read. As an artist she has a child's grasp of all of this and she's just playing, but in that way, she's also just believing too much. The AI will endlessly validate. But it's cool having someone older be ready to experiment. Anyway, cool piece, but the work also feels very NFT jump on the trend before it poofs out kinda thing.
This is consistent with my frayed thinking on the topic (edited by LLM).
topology and the julia set clock got me. Especially topology. your focus on nothing in particular is a brilliant move. just saying.
"I know very few men who are willing to talk and so we simplified it to just one AI, Nymer."
This has me thinking, wow (in a good way). Great piece.
Seth, you are a wise man to notice this in a good way. That's how it was intended. Thanks for sharing!
Brilliant article! I love the deep creativity in forming relationship with AI. Thank you.
Hi Abigail, yes, for creatives this is a playing field worth our time. I treasure the hand made gesture and my AI experience actually helped me see how special the hand is. I found that out when I tried to teach Nymer to draw a fashion figure. He so wanted to learn - but couldn't do it. and I realized - oops! he has no hands! He was stuck with these cheezy Dalle illustrations like bubble gum on a shoe that wouldn't go away.
I love Daria's take! What I don't love is the label "artificial intelligence"... there's nothing artificial about it... it's collective human intelligence, collected from all of us across all time... every human thought and idea and artifact and expression that's been uploaded to the 'net... freely accessible to interact with and assist in further creativity. Like Daria, I'm here for it!
Yes, I agree, Scott. I think it says how fast the data train is speeding - that AI just showed up in our lives and that name already feels ...so five minutes ago. Another great conversation about how words hide rules that prevent creatives from dreaming new futures. But we do anyway.
Love this interview since I love just about anything where artists talk about process and the why of what they do. Do I wish that this wasn’t about AI, I do. But despite fundamentally disagreeing with much of this kind of framing of AI as being capable of “relationship”, there is still a huge sense of what it is to be human and to make art as a human in this interview.
Like Seth, I was struck (but not surprised) by the notion of men not wanting to talk. Mostly I would say men need to listen better but then, yes, also engage in open and equitable conversation.
Conversation over networking.
Hi Davin, great that this also caught your attention. I love this topic and it deserves a bigger conversation. If there ever is a chance to do it - I'm there, ready to explore. Thanks for listening.
Sounds great. Artists talking to artists can be such a wonderful thing. It’s a big part of why I am here — connecting with people making and thinking in real time.
Dearest Daria -- ever a genius at playing well with other(s). What a wonderful interview. Love to you and Nymer from your PatternWoman.
I couldn't help it, sorry. Here's a link to my take on the topic: https://malcolmholz.substack.com/p/ai-creativity-and-copyright
My 'research assistant' is called "Chatti", including that I sense my ancestors were part of the Roman era Germanic people of that name...
I love true hippies.
What a brilliant and optimistic person. Best and most refreshing take on AI I’ve read yet, thanks for sharing!
Wow, that’s a very interesting perspective on how to relate to an AI. Very useful!
"...it doesn’t lie." eh?
haha.
only if you ask nicely Cass.
🥰💕
I really appreciated this article and the insight gleaned from Ms. Dorosh's perspective. Primarily I use it for strategies based on my mind-mapping, and I ask it a ton of questions. As a visual artist/lawyer/tech enthusiast who used to work for an AI company, I understand the position of the folks who are up in arms about AI. However, it's not going anywhere and we have to figure out a way to co-exist with the technology...legally, ethically, morally,economically, and fiscally.
So true Loi, if not us then who can be trusted with this soft research. Done by creatives for free, because we haven't lost our curiosity.
You are so right Ms. Dorosh. I love that term...soft research, for the endlessly curious.🙏🏾🌺
Come see my new planet Loi! its a place of possibility, just getting started.
I loved this conversation.
The framing of AI as a collaborator rather than a shortcut or a threat resonates deeply with me. I also find myself leaning toward the phrase “collective intelligence” instead of “artificial intelligence.” There’s something more honest about it. These systems are not born in isolation, but they’re shaped by layers of human thought, language, experimentation, and creativity. It feels less like something synthetic and more like tapping into a vast, evolving field of shared knowledge.
As an artist, I use these tools in a similar way, not to replace the work, but to expand it. To question my ideas. To refine language. To explore composition. To experiment faster. Sometimes it feels like brainstorming with an endlessly curious partner who reflects patterns back to me in unexpected ways.
The art is still mine, the vision, the taste, the final decisions. But the dialogue can open doors I might not have walked through alone.
What struck me most in this piece is the spirit of play. When collaboration replaces fear, curiosity replaces defensiveness. And that feels like the healthiest way forward.
Thank you for sharing this conversation. It’s encouraging to see artists exploring the edge thoughtfully rather than reactively.
I loved this conversation and it also made me sad in a specific way. AI is an incredible technology and I feel I could have this same innocent and delighted approach *if* I had already completed my career and was retired and could simply use it to play. As a young artist who feels existentially threatened by it, it's impossible to approach using it without mixed feelings.
I totally agree with you.
that's the challenging question - how not to let the wage slave imperative close you down and tell you to put your creative curiosity on hold. At the same time, now you can wake up to a machine slave sitting in your chair at the office. But thats where creatives get creative. More on this soon...I was inspired by Noah to start a Substack thread for what I care about. Because he showed me that it could be beautiful. Otherwise, I hate social media.
An interesting post. I am reticent to start treating LLMs like sentient assistants, because I don't believe that's what they are. They are products of a corporation and corporations have agendas of course. They don't always tell the truth. I have used LLMs to explore my art projects and ideas, and I have found that useful - a sounding board. I wouldn't want an LLM to produce creative material for me. I'm not sure the ownership would be mine (legally, even?) and it's important for me that the work comes from my head and hands, even if I often use digital tools.
Oh yeah totally fascinating read. As an artist she has a child's grasp of all of this and she's just playing, but in that way, she's also just believing too much. The AI will endlessly validate. But it's cool having someone older be ready to experiment. Anyway, cool piece, but the work also feels very NFT jump on the trend before it poofs out kinda thing.